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the american people to go along with and probably needs to be more of an education process to say look at the numbers, here are the numbers. we haven't heard that. >> i think that's right. remember, we do elect representatives of the people. they should understand it. when you are running at a trillion dollar plus deficit every year and have $16 trillion worth of debt, it is 100% of gdp, that's a signal we have to do something. so i wouldn't expect all the american people that haven't had much exposure to this stuff to be fully cognizant. i hope the representatives are. >> but do you have people that say there is not a problem here. some -- like paul krugman who is a nobel prize-winning economist knows more than people on the street were doing this, he says you shouldn't be doing this at this point. >> i think that paul krugman is -- remarkable record of being wrong a lot of times. and -- i know that he has been -- nobel laureate and i won't be. but i think there's -- any serious person recognizes there is a problem here and we have to do something about it. >> how come we are still no
a big difference. so our people are looking at it, we're helping them, we're educating them, but i think decisions are going to be held on how we're going to handle it until after all the rules have been released. >> it would make a big difference because you have so many seasonal workers for 90 days versus the year? >> yeah, just overall cost. as you look at the turnover and all the rest of it, it's going to make some difference to us. there's a 30-hour limit, but there's been some discussion as to whether or not that could be 35. 35 would clearly be better. so i mean, there's just a lot of these rules that are yet to be written and i think they're going to have a big impact on how people are going to approach it. >> so, patrick, let me try to take this from a difference direction from a democratic perspective. i'm not trying to be difficult. but there are two ways to look at the mandate that goes with the employees. one s a burden on business. the other is it's an opportunity for business to attract and keep employees, particularly in seasonal jobs that are difficult to fill. is there
. and his point is there needs to be an education process -- >> i don't pre-judge the choices people make, right? you can make the decision that you want universal health care. >> you need to know -- >> here's what it looks like, what it costs, and obviously the discussion we never have is the opportunity cost, as well. and something that economics -- >> and i asked steny hoyer that question for a reason, you know how the house works. and rick, i'll say this to you, you can tell those guys in the house until you're blue in the face that i won the election and i made it about higher taxes and that still doesn't mean they have to -- you need those guys to pass the law, right? >> that's right. that's right. >> they got elected too. >> the saddest part. the saddest part is that people as smart as the people around that table up there would think that they're going to get the answer of what's truly best for the long-term health of this country by polling. that's why we're not really a democracy -- democratic republic, we're a republic! >> once again, if you -- >> do you want to get hit on the
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